In a recent post, I noted that BCE's payout ratio was high. The ratio I used was expected 2009 dividends over 2008 eps. TTM eps from 2009 Q2 are $2.096. Expected 2009 dividends per share are $1.305, and probably $1.40 thereafter because 2009 dividends have gone up twice and are now at $0.35/share/quarter. So, the payout ratio, given by $1.40 over TTM eps is 67%. That's not too bad. Another thing to consider is a non-operating charge in Q4 2008 of $267 million (which businessweek has listed as a loss on sale of investments), or $0.33/share. If you add that back to TTM eps, you get a payout ratio of 57.7%. There have also been on-going restructuring charges for the last TTM of about $0.40/share. At some point these will disappear, reducing the payout ratio even further.
A note of caution. Over the TTM, revenues are down. Eps are flat-ish because of a reduction in costs. I guess they fired people.
sources: retuers.com and businessweek.com
Saturday, August 29, 2009
Friday, August 28, 2009
Power Corp
Below you will find a link to a very interesting article on the power behind power corp: the Desmarais family. Here's a quote:
After Sarkozy was elected president in May 2007, he awarded Desmarais the Grand Croix de la Legion d’Honneur, an order of merit established by Napoleon in 1802. “If I am the president of France today, it is thanks in part to the advice, the friendship and the loyalty of Paul Desmarais,” Sarkozy remarked.
Talk about connections!
The article also talks about some of Power Corp's many and varied investments.
http://hotrodatquincy.blogspot.com/2009/08/buffett-loses-to-desmarais-as-power.html
After Sarkozy was elected president in May 2007, he awarded Desmarais the Grand Croix de la Legion d’Honneur, an order of merit established by Napoleon in 1802. “If I am the president of France today, it is thanks in part to the advice, the friendship and the loyalty of Paul Desmarais,” Sarkozy remarked.
Talk about connections!
The article also talks about some of Power Corp's many and varied investments.
http://hotrodatquincy.blogspot.com/2009/08/buffett-loses-to-desmarais-as-power.html
Thursday, August 20, 2009
Bought preferred shares from BNS, POW
I recently bought some more preferred shares. I bought shares from the bank of nova scotia (BNS.PR.M) at $20.45, and power corp (POW.PR.B) at $21.90 and $21.92, including commission.
Preferred shares are similar to bonds in that they usually pay a fixed dividend and can be redeemed (called) by the issuer at a specified price. There is often a schedule, such that during different periods of time, the shares can be redeemed for different amounts. Usually, the amount will start off high, and drop as time goes on. Typically the final amount is $25.00/share, and sometimes $50.00/share. The final redemption price for both POW.PR.B and BNS.PR.M is $25.00. Consequently, you usually don't want to buy a preferred shared trading at more than the redemption price. I like to buy them at around $20 to $23 to give myself the chance of some capital appreciation if the shares are redeemed.
The risks of my preferred share investments are the same as those for bonds, except that bondholders are ahead of preferred shareholders in the creditor queue during bankruptcy. Fixed-rate preferred shares (such as those mentioned here) have interest rate risk, and preferred shares in general have creditor risk. The issuer could also suspend the dividend payment on the preferred. If it's a cumulative preferred, the issuer will owe the dividends that were not paid. I think you're more likely to see a cut in the dividend on the common if the issuer gets into trouble.
The interest rate risk is that interest rates will go up, and the value of the preferred shares will go down (so the yield goes up), just like bonds. I'm not too worried about that, but you never know about interest rates. There could be a run on government bonds because of the massive debt that governments have racked up, and that could lower the price of all securities.
The credit risk is that the issuer will go belly up. Not to be taken lightly these days. However, I don't think BNS will go bankrupt. Except for CIBC, the Canadian banks are pretty solid. Moreover, BNS doesn't have large US holdings (unlike RY and TD which have been forced to take writedowns on their US holdings). The bigger risk is that BNS cuts the dividend. To assess that we need to look at the financials.
Canada Life (CL.PR.B) which I bought earlier is also pretty safe I think. Power corp is harder to assess. It's a financial conglomerate with holdings in life insurance companies and mutual fund companies (e.g. Putnam). I can't assess all the portfolios of its subsidiaries like I did with Canada Life. So instead, I look at the ratio of total dividends paid on the common to total dividends paid on the preferreds. My reasoning is that they'll cut the common before they cut the preferred. I also look at the payout ratio.
Here's an image of my spreadsheet containing recent data on a bunch of preferreds I looked at.
Click on the image to see a bigger version.
CU, and CIU are issues from Canadian Utilities and TCA is TransCanada Pipelines. Power Financial is a subsidiary of Power Corp. (Not too much imagination there).
Anyway, you can see that BNS.PR.M, CIU.PR.A, POW.PR.B, and PWF.PR.F are all still in the right price range, and the yields are pretty good too. The DBRS ratings are pretty good, but how much do you trust DBRS these days? The payout ratios on the common are also pretty good, especially for Power Corp, but not for Power Financial. All the firms pay out much much more in dividends on the common than on the preferreds (that's calculated over all preferred series for each issuer, not just the ones shown in the table). Consequently, if there were dividends to be cut, you might see it on the common only. Another factor in determining credit risk is the extend of debt in the capital structure. However, financial companies and regulated utilities will typically show a lot of liabilities in their cap structure, and that's what we see here.
Note that the payout ratio on the common shares for BCE is quite high (80%) and that makes me uncomfortable (I still own some BCE.PR.A), but the yield is not much higher than the other issues. It's even worse for Power Financial. At least Power Corp has money coming in from somewhere else than Power Financial. Overall, you might consider BNS.PR.M, CIU.PR.A, and POW.PR.B, with POW.PR.B being the riskiest.
Preferred shares are similar to bonds in that they usually pay a fixed dividend and can be redeemed (called) by the issuer at a specified price. There is often a schedule, such that during different periods of time, the shares can be redeemed for different amounts. Usually, the amount will start off high, and drop as time goes on. Typically the final amount is $25.00/share, and sometimes $50.00/share. The final redemption price for both POW.PR.B and BNS.PR.M is $25.00. Consequently, you usually don't want to buy a preferred shared trading at more than the redemption price. I like to buy them at around $20 to $23 to give myself the chance of some capital appreciation if the shares are redeemed.
The risks of my preferred share investments are the same as those for bonds, except that bondholders are ahead of preferred shareholders in the creditor queue during bankruptcy. Fixed-rate preferred shares (such as those mentioned here) have interest rate risk, and preferred shares in general have creditor risk. The issuer could also suspend the dividend payment on the preferred. If it's a cumulative preferred, the issuer will owe the dividends that were not paid. I think you're more likely to see a cut in the dividend on the common if the issuer gets into trouble.
The interest rate risk is that interest rates will go up, and the value of the preferred shares will go down (so the yield goes up), just like bonds. I'm not too worried about that, but you never know about interest rates. There could be a run on government bonds because of the massive debt that governments have racked up, and that could lower the price of all securities.
The credit risk is that the issuer will go belly up. Not to be taken lightly these days. However, I don't think BNS will go bankrupt. Except for CIBC, the Canadian banks are pretty solid. Moreover, BNS doesn't have large US holdings (unlike RY and TD which have been forced to take writedowns on their US holdings). The bigger risk is that BNS cuts the dividend. To assess that we need to look at the financials.
Canada Life (CL.PR.B) which I bought earlier is also pretty safe I think. Power corp is harder to assess. It's a financial conglomerate with holdings in life insurance companies and mutual fund companies (e.g. Putnam). I can't assess all the portfolios of its subsidiaries like I did with Canada Life. So instead, I look at the ratio of total dividends paid on the common to total dividends paid on the preferreds. My reasoning is that they'll cut the common before they cut the preferred. I also look at the payout ratio.
Here's an image of my spreadsheet containing recent data on a bunch of preferreds I looked at.
Click on the image to see a bigger version.CU, and CIU are issues from Canadian Utilities and TCA is TransCanada Pipelines. Power Financial is a subsidiary of Power Corp. (Not too much imagination there).
Anyway, you can see that BNS.PR.M, CIU.PR.A, POW.PR.B, and PWF.PR.F are all still in the right price range, and the yields are pretty good too. The DBRS ratings are pretty good, but how much do you trust DBRS these days? The payout ratios on the common are also pretty good, especially for Power Corp, but not for Power Financial. All the firms pay out much much more in dividends on the common than on the preferreds (that's calculated over all preferred series for each issuer, not just the ones shown in the table). Consequently, if there were dividends to be cut, you might see it on the common only. Another factor in determining credit risk is the extend of debt in the capital structure. However, financial companies and regulated utilities will typically show a lot of liabilities in their cap structure, and that's what we see here.
Note that the payout ratio on the common shares for BCE is quite high (80%) and that makes me uncomfortable (I still own some BCE.PR.A), but the yield is not much higher than the other issues. It's even worse for Power Financial. At least Power Corp has money coming in from somewhere else than Power Financial. Overall, you might consider BNS.PR.M, CIU.PR.A, and POW.PR.B, with POW.PR.B being the riskiest.
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